15 thoughts on “The Forsytes (2025), Episode 2

  1. I dozed off so I appreciate your recap of the story. But I remember getting annoyed again with the dressmakers long locks (have we ever seen this actress with her hair up?). Then the shirt sleeves in the board room and Jo’s no ties. I yelped ” wtf?”

  2. The changes from the source material—Galsworthy’s novels—are driving me mad. Why is June Jo’s stepdaughter rather than his own daughter whom he deserted when he ran off with her governess when she was eight—an event that affected her entire character arc. And Irene, THE catalyst for the disastrous events in the saga, is, like Helen of Troy, a woman for whom men will burn down cities. This Irene is just a pretty young woman. (Fun fact: in the books, Irene has blonde hair and brown eyes—a coloring that used to be considered an indicator of a weak moral character)

    So I’ll stick with the 1967 version, which for my money hasn’t yet been equaled. For one thing, the actors in it look like Victorians. And in this newest version, I miss James, Soames’ father, moaning that “Nobody tells me anything,” whenever something happens!

    1. It all sounds utterly ludicrous in so many ways. Why make Anne the matriarch of the family when, as Old Jolyon’s wife instead of his sister, she’s only a Forsyte by marriage? Why make Irene a ballet dancer, a profession that would have made her unthinkable as a wife for Soames? In the books she’s merely a talented amateur pianist who supports herself as a piano teacher between her two marriages, but the 1967 adaptation fleshed out her back story by making her a serious student with ambitions of becoming a concert pianist…which was far more credible. I can’t help thinking that TF has been turned into a 19th/20th century version of “Bridgerton”.

      I agree that the 1967 version was the best – yes, James was hilarious! – and although Nyree Dawn Porter as Irene was saddled with awful 60s makeup there was real chemistry between her and the wonderful Eric Porter as Soames.

      1. I still remember the shock and horror the 1967 audience felt when, to partly paraphrase from MAN OF PROPERTY, Soames “asserted his rights and acted like a man” — I later discovered that the scene was filmed with the actors at opposite ends of the studio, but it’s still horrific.

  3. I think part of the reason the 1967 version is so good is that at least some of the creators actually KNEW Victorians. They knew something about how they would act and carry themselves. They knew for instance, that appearing in your shirtsleeves was the equivalent of wearing your underwear to a board meeting.

  4. Love the men’s hilariously modern hairstyles! Trying way too hard to be attractive to the modern audience, in fact that’s my major problem with this production!

    1. I keep getting distracted by Jolyon’s facial hair and the fact his beard barely connects to the mustache/goatee portion. It keeps giving the effect that the actor couldn’t grow a full beard so he grew a goatee and they pasted on more hair to his cheeks.

  5. I’ve really tried hard to keep an open mind here, and at first I was glad that they weren’t trying to imitate the 2000’s FS, but this is pure Snark material. Danny Griffin (young Jolyon) looks like he should be starring in a biopic of George Michael (please).

    On the plus side, I like most of the women, especially the older ladies like Grandmama Ann and Aunt Emily and her dog Cyril! I want to see more of them, especially Susan Hampshire.

    1. Yes it is a ridiculously blow dryed, layered bouffant hairstyle that owes more to the 1980s than the 1880s!

      1. And the facial hair. I could photoshop his picture onto a box of men’s hair dye, and it would not look out of place on the shelf at Rite-Aid.

  6. I hate to say this, but The Forsytes is one of those series I avoid because the still photos of the costumed characters just show a dumbing down of production standards that I object to. This isn’t a fantasy series; why should the past be made “acceptable” to modern viewers? There are ways of making the past relatable without junking it, especially when it has to do with appearances; I find this as objectionable as “leading lady syndrome” in historical subjects from the major Hollywood studios in the 20th century. Ideas of physical comfort wouldn’t have occurred to the Victorians; their psychological comfort depended on doing the expected thing in dress or behavior. Does the production team that their viewers today walk into museums and demand that curators update hairstyles or clothing on historic portraits? Or do they think their audience is illiterate to the visuals of the 19th century? I find that hard to believe for a British production, considering how many good museums are free to the public there. I knew it was going to be a train wreck when a year ago I saw a preview photo of Soames and Irene’s wedding photo and her dress was made of what looked like sad, wimpy synthetic fabric without nearly enough trim for the striving upwardly mobile classes, and without interfacing on the buttonhole band, and the fabric was actually puckering between buttons – the fact that somebody couldn’t be bothered to straighten that and make it sit flat for filming a scene or a photo was somewhat indicative that they just don’t GAF. The Doctor Who costuming team was far more careful about Millie Gibson’s Regency dress in one of their episodes. Something about the oversized floral trim on Frances’ blue dress reads as cheap 1960s daisies to me. I can’t bring myself to watch just because I know I’d be throwing things at the screen throughout. I haven’t seen the 60’s version, but I remember Damian Lewis as Soames quite well, and outside of his Henry VIII in Wolf Hall, I can’t warm up to him in anything because of Soames.

  7. Another layer of absurdity: classical ballet didn’t even exist as a serious art form in late 1870s/early 1880s England. Ballet dancers were poorly trained, poorly paid, and appeared as supporting acts on the music hall stage and in pantomimes. Even in Paris, lowly members of the corps de ballet often had to resort to prostitution – or wealthy male “protectors” – in order to survive. The idea of a middle-class English woman like Irene Heron even wanting to enter such a financially and morally risky profession is absurd.

  8. Thank You for addressing Irene’s crazy long hair in ballet class!!! It drives me nuts I tell you…

    1. Same here!! I just can’t get over it! Being a ballerina is never “bohemian” when in comes to hair, a ballerina is disciplined and put-together, and her bun is a habit since the early childhood.

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