26 thoughts on “The Forsytes (2025), Episode 1

  1. I know these books, chapter and text. I am pretty sure I would find what they are now calling The Forsyte Saga to be too different from the actual stories, although it would probably be okay if they renamed it completely. I’ve watched the old b/w version again (on YouTube) which is old ‘stage set’ style of BBC production but stick with it because I feel it captures the character dynamics and tells the story about society that Galsworthy wanted told. Neat to see that still photo of Susan Hampshire now, though.

  2. I am just an ‘ugh’ about the series. It’s ‘inspired’ so it is greatly changed, and I hope they do not change Winifred’s story line, as it is important to show what women have to deal with in late 19th c. England.
    The men look buffed for Instagram. There are bustles at least.
    However, it is the changes to the novels which bug me. Irene plays piano, which is respectable; here she is a dancer, which was one step up from being a prostitute in the time period. June is Jolyon’s daughter from his marriage to Frances, (and what is with that wedding bodice?) and not step-daughter; he leaves Frances for Louisa the nanny with whom he later has two children. Winifred’s marriage becomes a major plot point both reflecting women’s roles and rights within society.
    The original from the 60s? still stands up, though it is stage’y; and Damien Lewis in the later version was a chilling Soames. This one is pretty to look at, but lacks the dramatic heft of the other versions, at least to me.
    But I watch, because Sunday night is Masterpiece night.

    1. Completely agree about the silliness of making Irene a dancer. Soames wouldn’t have sullied the Forsyte name by marrying a woman of such low social status! When he married the French waitress Annette he did so in Paris and pretended that they met in France.

  3. I’m not even giving it a chance. The one with Damien Lewis and Rupert Graves, etc. is one of my favorites. Even Winifred and Dartie’s story was fun to watch. To be honest, this just looks awful and I am a huge Masterpiece and PBS fan.

  4. Adaptations of “The Forsyte Saga” have to deal with the fact that the first book opens with June’s engagement party and much of the drama has already happened. Soames and Irene are married, as are Winifred and Monty, and the details of Young Jolyon’s early life aren’t made clear. Screenwriters are therefore forced to invent a fair amount of material, but some of the changes in the new adaptation sound absurd to me. For all its staginess the 1967 version is still my favourite, and Eric Porter has never been bettered as Soames!

    1. I watched last night to give it a try, and I was not super impressed or engaged. I did see the Damian Lewis version and very much enjoyed it, but that was years ago, and because I have not read the novel, I was a bit lost with episode one. I may try again next week.

      I was annoyed by the long and loose hair on the dressmaker. The red wine spill was easy to see coming. And the puffy hair on the two main gents, gah! Plus men ALWAYS wore a hat, especially when outdoors, and few of the leads are sporting them in this version.

      I suppose becoming educated and reading these reviews, Frock Flicks has changed how I few historical productions. I’m much more critical and have a hard time looking past goofs or modern choices.

  5. So far, so okay! Loved the 67 version, it treated Jo’s and Soames’ story lines equally and this one seems to be doing the same. But they are making Soames and his dad much blacker than any previous version did. I suppose it’s the difference between lawyers and stockbrokers!

    1. Are they confusing her with June?! I suppose Irene’s affairs with Bossiney and Young Jolyon make her free-spirited, but I’d hardly call her a bohemian – unless helping “fallen women” after a prostitute saved her from suicide on the night she left Soames counts.

  6. I have seen it, and am surprised that you give it such a good review so far. I thought it was prime material for Snark Week. Seriously, the men are so good looking it’s absurd. I found myself just laughing in parts. Also, as others have said, Irene being a dancer makes no sense.

  7. Will watch for Francesca Annis, who in a roundabout way is responsible for my having found Frock Flicks! I love love love her as Emma in the 1975 BBC version of Madame Bovary, where her costumes were mostly on point as far as I can tell, except for a black sequined number she wore in the final episode. Anyway, as a Madame Bovary fan, I wanted to like the 2014 adaptation with Mia Wasikowska, which is not possible for many reasons, only one of which is that in a key scene the heroine rides her horse astride (gasp!). Both Frock Flicks* (and, ahem, a reread of the novel itself) confirmed for me that this character would absolutely have ridden sidesaddle, as was shown in the 1975 version.
    *search terms: “19th century france women sidesaddle”

  8. Having re-watched the ’00s version, I’m kind of glad they’re doing some things differently here, because Damian Lewis is a hard act to follow (and Amanda Root, good old “Freddie”). But at the very least, I think I’ll enjoy this a lot more than Count of Monte Cristo.

    1. Ok, so I’m watching it and so far it’s pretty ok. I’m not quite as drawn into the world as a whole, as I was to the ’00s one, but it’s still early days yet. It’s funny though, I keep mentally comparing it to The Gilded Age more than I do to the other Forsyte Saga, it feels like they’re highlighting the Francis and June dynamic because the Bertha and Gladys dynamic.

      Also, is it me, or are these drama opening title sequences getting weirder and weirder?

  9. So they’ve transformed Old Jolyon’s unmarried sister Ann into his WIFE? I’m a huge fan of Francesca Annis but I won’t be watching this. For anyone who wants to compare the book timeline to the new TV version: Winifred and Monty marry in 1871, Soames and Irene marry in 1882, and June’s engagement party takes place in 1886.

  10. I am currently on my fourth or fifth reread of the saga, and this review confirms my suspicion that I do not want to touch the new series with a barge pole. I am very fond of both the 1960s and 2000s versions, even though neither is entirely faithful to the books,* but I’m not willing to follow this adaptation into far greater “reimagining.” I like Francesca Annis a lot, but not even she will persuade me otherwise!

    *I even thought Errol Flynn was a decent Soames in That Forsyte Woman.

      1. I haven’t seen the film but Errol Flynn as Soames sounds more credible than Greer Garson as Irene.

  11. I too have read most of the books and have seen the 1960’s and 2000 versions. While the actors in the 1960’s were too old for the age of their characters, I enjoyed that series. This series is very disappointing and an affront to the novels. No wonder it’s a it’s re-imagined! I feel sorry people who don’t know the novels.

  12. The 60s version tried to cram far too much into the series, even though there were twenty episodes. I recently saw an excellent two-part stage version that managed to cover the story from June’s engagement party to Soames’ death with no invented backstories, but Winifred/Monty and Holly/Val were cut, as was Fleur’s action for libel.

  13. I second (or third or fourth) all of the comments about hair and hats and other costume comments. A couple of other things bothered me not yet mentioned:

    A meeting in the boardroom of Forsyte and Sons – all of the men are in shirts and vests (or waistcoats, to be technically correct!). I can’t imagine them in such a formal meeting without their suit coats.
    Soames has stubble! It’s the late Victorian era, and every man has facial hair of some kind. But stubble isn’t facial hair; it’s a lower class look, not the look of the aspiring Forsyte men. However, Soames has a great mustache!

  14. Yes, no hats, and yes, no bustles, and yes, hair down, but also— they did The Evil Corset Thing! Implying that June had been “allowed” to just not wear corsets, and “I’ve made your waist look smaller without having to use boning!” Yeah. We can tell. (And while some of the corseted silhouettes look very good, there are also a lot of “coffe can” ill-fitting corsets and a lack of petticoats and padding.) There’s also a weird smattering of full-on Edwardian in Episode 1. It’s certainly better than say, the latest Buccaneers, but I don’t know if I’d be bragging about authenticity just yet either.

  15. Jolyon’s hair! He’s Princess Diana unless he’s dreaming about his former self when he has the long hair, which made he laugh out loud.

  16. What’s with the tiara on June? You would think that English costume designers would know that English women did not wear tiaras for the first time until their wedding – not at their debuts. That’s one of my Bridgerton hates. A tiara was/is a signifier for a married woman, outside of the royal family. Blood princesses may wear tiaras before marriage; mortal women may not.

  17. Was desperately hoping to hear mention of Irene’s weird “hair down” ballet rehearsal/class thingy. Aside from the fact that the actress is clearly not a trained ballerina (which is fine..) the fact that they have her wear her ridiculously long mermaid hair down is unheard of-even TODAY. I wonder who decides that such a blatant faux pas is preferable?

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