39 thoughts on “SNARK WEEK: A Brief List of Ways Braveheart Fucks It Up

    1. YES. I don’t remember if we mentioned that in the podcast or not (it was VERY drunk out) but we collectively lost our shit when we realized they were indeed washers whilst watching the movie.

  1. A lot of this shows up again in “The Patriot”, sans the blue face paint. And yeah, talk about telegraphing with the open window- I figured what was going to happen and sure enough, boyfriend takes a header.

    1. Ok, maybe you can help me out here… I distinctly remember there being this whole backlash to “The Patriot” wrt it being a completely transparent rehash of “Braveheart”, but when I went to look for the sources to back me up, I found nothing! The trouble is that all of these sources I recall were from that weird transitionary period of the late-90s where stuff online wasn’t really archived.

      But I’m glad you think the same thing! I thought I was going crazy when I tried to explain it recently and people were like “what are you even talking about?”

      1. Is “The Patriot” going to be featured in Snark Week? :)

        I have seen a LOT of people sarcastically refer to “The Patriot” as “Braveheart with guns”. One person I used to know (via an online historical community) had a breakdown here : http://www.silverwhistle.co.uk/cinema/patriot.html

        To be fair the film helped introduce some people I know to the American revolution, so I try to see the good in it, from that perspective…but there are just way too many wince inducing inaccuracies for me to enjoy it.

        1. “Braveheart” similarly inspired a lot of my generation of SCA members — we were dorky teenagers who had just discovered this amazing world of pretend and what’s the current big budget movie at the time? A film about a long haired guy on a rampage against the murderers who killed his one true love. Extra points for being Scottish, because if it’s not Scottish, it’s crap. ;)

          A friend of mine recently confessed that the film was also responsible for a generation of young men in the SCA being really sexually aroused by wimples. LOL

          And don’t worry, at some point we will tackle “The Patriot” and relive more of Sarah’s teenage damage.

        2. Lady Nefertankh: Thank you for that link.

          I sorta fell for the music and costumes and drama back in my late teens when The Patriot came out. I certainly haven’t felt the same about it for a while, but as a non-American my knowledge of this sort of stuff is a little vague.

      2. I did have Jason Issacs looking devastatingly hot in his Royal Dragoon uniform, though. That’s all I remember.

  2. If the filmmakers wanted to portray Wallace having an affair with a lady at the English court, it would have made more sense for him to have the affair with Margaret of France, Edward I’s second wife. But as the scriptwriter Randall Wallace supposedly said,’ I don’t let the facts interfere with the truth.’ BTW, I did a paper for a writing class on just how historically inaccurate the film was.

      1. Ditto. Of course, I can’t imagine the damage some awful writer would do to Isabella in the name of making her “relevant” to modern women.

      2. I’ve been enthusing for some years about the two French mini-series Les Rois Maudits based on the six books by Maurice Druon. (One of which is entitled La Louve de France, i.e. The She-Wolf of France). The series is about the end of the Capetian dynasty and the beginning of the Valois. The 1972 version is the French equivalent of I, Claudius. The 2005 version has a lot more sex and violence ala GoT. In the 1972 version, Isabelle is placed by Genevieve Casile. In the clip below, (subtitled), she is uncovering the adultery of her sisters-in-law to her father, Philip the Fair.

        In the 2005 version, Isabelle is played by Julie Gayet.

        As a bonus for those who dislike Gerard Depardieu, in the 2005 version you get to see him burnt at the stake as Jacques de Molay

        1. I love “Les Rois Maudits” and have read the six novels in both French and English. Both TV versions were good.

    1. Pussy I still abhor auto-correct and now it’s editing my f***ing bad slang for sex. A moral auto-correct?

      The Pussy comment was in relation to the podcast. BTW what did you drink as a reward for suffering through the Braveheart garbage?

      I also noticed that the panne velvet – pink – Dress looks like they sewed the nap backwards on one side.

      1. Brenna and I were drinking manhattans and K&T were doing cosmos. I ran out of whisky halfway through and had to beg my fiancé to deliver reinforcements. He walked into a house full of drunk women screaming at a TV. And then promptly made us more cocktails, because he’s awesome like that.

        1. You have my sympathies in watching Braveheart. Glad your fiance is so wonderful.

          You and Brenna made the ultimate sacrifice for FrockFlicks & it’s fans.

  3. My Scottish husband giggled his way through Mel Gibson as Wallace. (Way too old for the role. And what is it with these Hollywood males who love directing themselves as martyrs?).. Historical inaccuracy aside, Sophie Marceau’s Isabella was the only thing I liked about “Braveheart,” even though the idea of her going to Scotland to negotiate with Wallace was kind of like Diana’s being sent to meet with Arafat.

  4. As a Scot, we were laughing hysterically in the cinema at Wallace as a child…who had a broad Glasgow accent. NB all Scottish accents are not the same.

  5. Previous podcasts had a download link. Will this one eventually have one too? It like to listen to these on my mp3 player, while walking or doing chores around the house.

  6. The Irish Army provided many of the extras for the film, cheap burly squaddie labour was one of the reasons the film was made there (was what I was told at the time.) Because of this, the highlanders behind the front row all have very short army hair with odd braids stuck on… guess they didn’t have the wig budget to give them all a mullet!
    I am Scottish but had a lovely Irish boyfriend at Uni and he lived near the filming, South of Dublin. We were on our way to a Saw Doctors concert and passed the wooden fort before it was burnt, everyone near Brae was very excited by the production I seem to remember.

  7. The most horrifying aspect of “Braveheart” is that it beat “Sense and Sensibility” for 1996’s Best Picture Oscar.

      1. Why indeed!

        Of the other movies that were nominated that year, Apollo 13 (which I liked,) Il Postino and Babe (WTF Hollywood, REALLY??), S&S was far the superior of the lot.

        On a high note, Emma Thompson won for Best Screenplay Adaptation and Susan Sarandon won Best Actress (not for a historical movie, but I wuvs her anyway.) Best of all, Restoration triumphed over Braveheart with an Oscar for Best Costume Design.

  8. Ok, my rage at this movie knows no bounds. It has been responsible for many an inappropriate kilt related flashing at SCA events. Especially on good gentles that should be in a nice loose tunic with braes.
    It also muddied the name of Isabella of France and made it seem that she loathed Edward II. From all the evidence she was in love with him in the beginning and did not start to turn away from him until Hugh Dispenser the Younger came on the scene. While there was the affair with Roger Mortimer, even at her death she asked that her heart be buried with her dearest Edward.

  9. I listen to a lot of podcasts while I work, and it was my first time hearing podcasters getting totally sloshed!
    Soooo funny! (I hope the hangovers were manageable)
    And so necessary, I appreciate your suffering in our stead. I couldn’t, since I think I burst a couple of small eye blood vessels on seeing that bubblegum crushed velvet… Thing.
    One thing caught my attention in your comments: One of you said the film was very anti british, and the brits were shown as fops, too fancy… Clean even!
    Obviously NOT as virile as the leading man (can you imagine how he was supposed to smell? *gags*… pass me the second rate whiskey before I faint!)

    Usually, it’s the French who get depicted like that. Frumpy, effeminate, decadent, you name it. It wasn’t funny to begin with, and doesn’t get better as the years go by (cf outlander).
    I wonder if we’re fair game, or what?

    On the other hand I’m grateful we haven’t attracted Mel’s attention further than Sophie Marceau… And the real She-Wolf of France would have had him on toast at breakfast !(maybe not, she was a lady of taste)

  10. I was working at a fabric store not long after this came out. Halloween rolls around – the worst season in a fabric store – and we get the “my boyfriend wants to be Braveheart. How many yards [of wool plaid] do I need?… Oh no. That’s too much. I’ll just get him 2.”
    drinks deeply

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