37 thoughts on “WTFrock About All These Shitty Men in Hollywood?

  1. It’s the worst form of sexual inequality. It objectifies the woman or person being harassed and degrades the man or the harasser.

  2. Thanks for taking a long look at this problem. I’ve had a certain amount of experience with this sort of thing, as almost any woman reading this has. What I learned is unless it personally happens to them most people are inclined to turn a blind eye. Especially if they gain some other benefit. Often the perpetrator is just a swell person otherwise. The art is a tool, a means to an end. Victims are picked and chosen, the perpetrator gambling that they won’t say a thing or if they do no one will believe them. The greater community just does not like unpleasant things and would rather not look. They think it’s about sex and not understanding it’s about power. I fear that this will change little in the end, but I hope that’s not the case. All I can say to people out there is please listen. Just because its not you or someone you love does not mean that it will never effect you. No wants to look back and think if only I had said said something. LIsten to your moral compass and say something, no gig, film or art work is worth this. If it only saves one victim it’s worth the price.

  3. This is despicable, but I disagree with your implication that men are automatically safe (“don’t have to worry”). Corey Haim came out years ago talking about the rampant abuse of boys and young men in Hollywood. This isn’t just about women. This is an entire industry where the power dynamics have allowed and even covered for predators who roam free preying on the weak and the voiceless for a very long time. It makes you think, how much is our entertainment worth?

    1. Oh, I agree, the pretty boys aren’t safe either.
      And it’s not really about sex in the end, it’s about power… It’s always about power. Just, sexual coercion is one of the most degrading thing one human can do to another, and with a minimum of smarts, you can get away with it.
      I truly believe that if it was easier to get rid of a body, it could be much worse.

      Not that it’s peachy as it is.

    2. I didn’t say men don’t get abused — I said they don’t have to automatically worry about harassment & abuse in the workplace. Subtle difference. Men treat other men as coworkers far more often than they do women.

    3. I would go even farther to say that it’s not just the entertainment industry, although I know that’s what we’re primarily focused on here. I’ve worked in tech for decades and I’ve got some horror stories. Rape culture and the acceptance of harassment is an unfortunate fact of life all over, and that’s got to change.

    4. the really sad thing is Barbara Walters shut him up and down when he was on the view about this. she didn’t want to hurt the system. I hope she’s ashamed of her response to him.

  4. I’m not going to blame some for working or trying to work because everyone needs to work/eat. As a whole, we have a problem with sex and power. Personally I think that women and men don’t help the issue by dressing provocatively (think Victoria’s Secret ads/shows) because it feeds the prurient fabtasues of these sickos. If we are to blame anyone – perhaps it’s a justice system that doesn’t really punish these people like they should be.

      1. I was harassed because of what I wore in the early 80s. I worked as a DJ in a disco — & I was damn good. I was supposed to be above the crowd where no one could get to me… but my boss certainly could. He called me into his private office, supposedly to help him double count the money from the night. He assaulted me, and said no one would believe I wasn’t asking for it. Because of the way I was dressed, and I went with him into his private office. A classic “he said/she said”. I thought I was just doing what my boss told me to do. Within 6 wks, he absconded with all the club’s money, and I was even put up on charges of being an accessory! So don’t tell me clothing makes no difference. It always has, and it always will. Sad but true.

        1. I’m sorry that happened to you. But your boss didn’t assault you because of anything you were wearing. He assaulted you because he was an entitled power tripping asshole.

    1. Maria, honey. that sort of thinking needs to go back to the 1950’s. it’s NEVER EVER been about what you wear or don’t. it’s about POWER, CONTROL and who has it. THAT is why these slime get away with treating children and women and some men the way they do. because people like you say “why was this person wearing that, didn’t they think they would cause this? or why were they there? didn’t they KNOW this would happen?” NO ONE can control another person’s thoughts or actions. nor should any woman be required to police a male’s actions EVER no matter what she is wearing, where she is, or how this would affect her occupation.

  5. Wonderful column. To add a bit to Keira Knightley’s words (“Where are our stories?”) – I saw The Battle of the Sexes at a theater this weekend, and in all of the seven previews, NONE of the forthcoming movies featured a female protagonist. Not one. And at a movie where 80% of the audience was female!! Go figure. Support woman directors, producers, actors, composers, cinematographers, etc. where you can.

    1. Yeah, and this is why we like to watch & review movies that focus on women’s stories too. I mean, we just find them more interesting (as we’ve written), but there’s also a dearth of stories about women onscreen, stories made by women, & specifically for us, women’s history onscreen.

    2. Not a historical costume movie, but I have to say I was very excited to see a preview for Annihilation when I went to see Blade Runner 2049. Unless they have deviated significantly from the book an ensemble cast of WOMEN are the primary characters.

      I recall Gina Torres bemoaning the lack of good roles for women in Hollywood and saying something to the effect of “Thank god for science fiction because they’ll give you a gun and tell you to go kick some ass.”

  6. I’m a new actress (I’ve been in the business for 2 years so far) and frankly I’m happy that all of this is coming out. I mourn for those who suffered in it for sure, but I feel more powerful now that no one can ignore it anymore.

  7. What gets me [when talking about Kate Winslet having to defend her choice] is who gives these men, Allen and Wienstein the money? You need a metric FTon of money to even start these projects and everybody knew what their crimes were. Why is anybody going after the “money”?

    1. The money plays CYA in just this way:gaslight, distract, etc.
      It plays out in politics, in movies, in business.

    2. People who still go to see their movies. :( I’ve been boycotting Woody Allen for years, but remarks like those made by Winslet and Timberlake just minimize the controversy, make it sound like we shouldn’t care about it because art, and so people keep buying tickets and treating these guys like gods.

      1. especially since his movies also suck! I’ve been boycotting Woody Allen the same way I’ve been boycotting the Human Centipede movies. Why he is given any artistic credit is beyond me. That that credit would then be used to shield him from consequences for his behavior is sickening.

  8. Giving you two very enthusiastic thumbs up for this post and giving Tess two even more enthusiastic thumbs down for the tagline “victim of her own provocative beauty”.

    1. I first saw Tess in the ’80s (being a massive Thomas Hardy fan & writing extensively on the author in college) & it’s a brilliant film. But then I saw those ads/posters in the past few years after learning about Polanski & could.not.believe they went there. It’s beyond me. And rewatching, once I knew about the director, really adds a weird layer of ‘how much of this is auto-biographical? is he trying to rewrite history & make himself look better? wt-ever-loving-fuck?’

  9. Kudos for pointing out the double standard when just discussing sexual harassment. Kate Winslet has to justify why she choose to work with Woody Allen; Justin Timberlake does not. It’s a parallel with the differences between male and female actors — Jane Fonda gets asked about plastic surgery and being an older actor; Robert Redford does not, while both are in the same interview.

  10. Just wanted to add that your end question — how do you feel about art created by people who have done terrible things? — deserves its own column. Previous to now, time has erased the abhorrent behavior of artists. Would we boycott or have destroyed Gaugin’s paintings of Tahitian women because he slept with them and gave them VD? Do people even know this, or care? Once we do know, what actions can we/should we take? I’m horrified at Harvey Weinstein’s behavior, relieved that he is getting punished (somewhat) and yet would I want all of those films to be locked away forever?

    1. “how do you feel about art created by people who have done terrible things? — deserves its own column”

      Thanks. I’d like to get to it, altho’ I don’t think any of us at Frock Flicks have good answers or 100% opinions either way. It’s a very difficult subject, where do we draw the line? I will come back to it tho.

    2. I think the question here is whether we as viewers should watch the films of Weinstein, Allen or Polanski in the context of going to the cinema or buying DVDs and financing these perverts.
      Whereas in the case of Gaugin financing him is not possible anymore.

      1. There’s both the financing aspect & the ‘support at all, in principle’ aspect. In this article, I nearly included an analogy to how Wagner’s music is practically banned in Israel bec. the composer was an anti-semite plus Hitler was a big fan of his operas. Now, to your point, Wager is long dead & isn’t making any money off productions of his work (& those who want to bring his music to Israel are not neo-Nazis, just music lovers, accd. to the news sources I was reading). But it’s still controversial due to the artist’s behavior & earlier use of his work.

        And re: works by Weinstein, Allen, Polanski — what about the other ppl who were involved in those productions? 100% of the proceeds from a DVD sale don’t go to just Weinstein / Allen/ Polanski. The money may go to different producers, actors, writers, other ppl affiliated w/the company — are they all tainted too? Where do we draw the line?

        Like I said, it’s a big topic of its own. Definitely worth exploring further!

        1. Do yourself a huge favor and watch Stephen Fry’s documentary “Wagner and Me” (used to be on Netflix, think you can find it on YouTube if not). It is so good. He basically does a deep dive on his own personal ambivalence about loving Wagner’s music while at the same time reviling the man’s politics. It is incredibly entertaining because, well, Stephen Fry.

        2. Yes, Trystan that’s a topic of its own. Concerning the works of Weinstein, Allen or Polanski or other people that behaved in such a way, I agree with you that on the other hand it would be unfair to punish all people involved in films produced by them, because e.g. costume designers have to make a living too. It would be ideal, if there existed such a possibility that, as a punishment for their criminal deeds, no money would go to such pervs, but that is unfortunately currently not legally possible.
          When it comes to distinguishing an artist’s deeds or personal views from his works, I can say for myself that this is rather not possible for me, so I can understand the reactions of many Israeli people towards Wagner.

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