51 thoughts on “I can’t stand mystery frock flicks. So sue me!

  1. Have you checked out Murdoch Mysteries (Canadian series, also known as The Artful Detective)? It’s been going long enough that many of the supporting cast have had character development arcs of their own. I’ve always wondered how accurate some of the ladies’ outfits are, for turn of the century in Toronto, Canada.

    The same production company has also know come out with a new series set in the 1920s, the “Frankie Drake Mysteries”. The first episode just aired last night, so I have only just started watching it myself.

      1. Thanks for the reference (I wasn’t following this blog when this article was posted last year).

        I appreciate the note that the costumes are “fine for the period”, as that’s all I really wondered about. And I will readily admit that I haven’t seen all the early episodes myself. My husband was the one to binge the early seasons and then guided me into the series with a selection of the episodes he figured I’d enjoy the most.

    1. William Murdoch is mentioned in the first paragraph of this article :p It’s my fav TV show because I love the characters so much (even the weekly murders are a secondary thing to me), but I can see how it’s a bit dull in the costume department for most people…

      Haven’t seen Frankie Drake yet. Not sure how I feel about it, might give it a go if the reviews are good.

  2. I’m a fan. But there are several mystery novels that could be made into a two-four part series. Dame Fervisse comes to mind.

  3. You make some good points. But I don’t mind historical mysteries. With so much unpredictability in real life, it’s nice sometimes to immerse myself in something predictable. I like knowing the murder/kidnapper/rapist is going to get caught and punished and I don’t mind suspending my incredulity.

  4. Well, yes, mysteries (historical or otherwise) are repetitive, and the villain gets caught. It’s part of their charm.
    You forgot Cadfael in your rant. I know, Derek Jacobi, but it fits the bill, too!

    And as repetition go, I like all of it better than the:
    “I don’t know what to write/ I’m too lazy to research/ History is boring anyway/ OMG I need some female plot… I know, Let’s have a RAPE!!” throws confettis to celebrate genius idea

    we get in quite a lot of historical series (Yes, looking at you, Outlander… amongst others)

  5. Sorry, but I don’t share your feelings. One, I love mysteries. And two, I love them even more when they are period dramas. Which is why I can watch any Agatha Christie adaptation – especially those in period costumes – over and over again.

  6. Though modern you need to add Jonny Lee Miller to your Sherlock list. While the show it formulaic JLM’s Sherlock isn’t.

    I love a good mystery and quite frankly the historical ones seem to be better than the moderns ones out right now.

    Too bad Hollywood doesn’t read more books. Lots of historical mysteries that haven’t been done out there. The Irene Adler series by Carole Nelson Douglas comes to mind for a start.

  7. I’m with you. I think Miss Fisher keeps my interest because her character is such fun and as you say, she has those excursions to liven things up but it’s pretty much the only murder mystery series I watch.

  8. There are a few I like in the “I can’t be bothered to choose anything, oh look, it’s Jeremy Brett” kind of way. Brett’s Holmes, Hickson’s Miss Marple. But no, in general they’re not high on my list. On the other hand, a good police procedural gets my interest, but they’re mostly modern. Since the modern police force wasn’t started until 1832 (or 1794 if you count Thames River Police) there are few that are even possible. On the other hand, I’d be up for a well-casted Sam Spade or Philip Marlowe series. What, golden era Hollywood and Los Angeles? Count me in. But it’s not for the mystery, it’s for the spectacle and the characters. I don’t care who did it or who was done.

    1. Yes, on the characters and spectacle, but I’ve found most mysteries to have very little of either, or not enough to compensate for predictability, sadly. I’ve given up on watching most mysteries after I could predict who did it after watching about half of an episode. :)

  9. Alas, I love them. I know I shouldn’t for all the reasons you list, but they are balm for a troubled soul: the televisual equivalent of macaroni cheese.

  10. I love them, but you do make good points… They’re one of my comfort objects though, but I am picky about the ones I watch.

    I always said, re: Agatha Christie, that I had to wonder about Miss Marple and all those deaths around her. At least Poirot is a detective so has an excuse (though a lot seems to follow him too…), but Miss Marple… Hmm… lol

      1. Have you read The Big Over Easy by Jasper Fforde? There’s a great line in there about how deaths have gone up around the great sleuths, and isn’t that interesting? I can’t find my copy or I’d pull the quote.

        1. Yes! Jasper Fforde is amazing. I need to reread the Nursery Crime books though, I’ve only read them once.

  11. I like watching Father Brown. It essentially runs on a loop on BBC HD, so now I just turn down the volume and admire the dresses (while doing something else).

  12. Tiny spelling correction: It’s Hercule Poirot.

    I agree with your points about murder mysteries being formulaic, but I love them anyway. I could watch Poirot all day.
    Murdoch Mysteries didn’t impress me story and character-wise after a few episodes.
    It’s too recent to be “historical”, but I love Remington Steele. It’s my favorite show.

  13. I enjoy David Suchet Poirot because he finished it all. And he ages and i like the continuity. (Also i am a terrible speller and my auto correct isnt working so forgive spellings)

  14. Yup, this is me. I’ve watched the first season of Murdoch and I did enjoy Grantchester, but as a whole the genre doesn’t really interest me.

  15. They’re like comfort food to me. Plus Poirot is so perfect, it’s like a “how to” for men and women to dress 30s. And, we had Miss Fisher’s fan dance on an endless loop for a while over here. You to, Essie Davis!

  16. I have a whole drawer of DVDs of them that I can watch over and again, including modern one, but I do understand that if they’re not your bag it must be so boring. Trouble is I find those without such a structure just devolve into well dressed soapies. Downton Abbey, Poldark – they’re just Days of our Lives set in the past.
    Ones I have enjoyed but not listed include Endeavour – an excellent portrayal of Oxford int he early 1960s and Maigret with Rowan Atkinson. Also the Tommy and Tuppence series from the 80s which is a fun Wodehouse type take on Christie.
    I also must address the issue of changes of actors being important. I can watch Joan Hickson forever in spite of the bad 80s hair and music and lingering camera shots. Amazing stuff. But in spite of loving both actresses with a passion, I can’t STAND Geraldine McEwan or Julia MacKenzie in the role. They’re both so jolly and twinkly. Miss Marple was a shrewd cynic and her obfuscation was being vague, not twinkly. Grrr.

  17. I really LOVE historical mysteries. I agree with a lot of your points about them, but I think I like some of the Agatha Christie ones because they are formulaic and not in spite of. I’m with you about Bletchley Circle: I think it’s one of my favorites because it is a mystery AND we get to see interesting characters working within the social parameters of a certain time period. I love Gosford Park for similar reasons. It’s a piece about certain niches of society with a mystery bonus!

    That said, I’m up for all of the costume mysteries. But I also like formulaic / predictable police procedurals too. So you can discount my opinion here!

  18. OMG – I feel like you’ve put a finger on how I’ve [guiltily] felt for decades! I’ve always thought most hour-long-with-commercials-murder-mysteries are 45 minutes of people lying followed by 5 minutes of people telling the truth, 5 minutes of the protagonist smugly explaining the whole thing to everyone else, and 5 minutes of “look how wonderful our life/town is”
    Ugh. No thank you. I’ve always wondered why I had no interest, when a lot of the costumes dramas available, when strong female leads to boot, are these formulaic shows.
    Thanks! I’m with you!

  19. I actually like mysteries and need something REALLY good to hold my interest (like…a war) if it’s not. I like Holmes quite a bit, and adore Peter Wimsey (especially since Sayers more than most plays fair-you know what Lord Peter does. Christie in particular is…not so great there.) On the other hand, unless a show is somehow really amusing, like ‘The Durrells in Corfu’, I feel like I can’t justify caring about these people. Like I’ve tuned out on Poldark- just kill George, people, half your problems go away. Also, cousin girl, poison your dick new husband. I get really impatient with drama characters who aren’t being constrained by historical accuracy.

    1. I love her, but I do agree about Christie. It’s not really fair when you’re trying to figure things out yourself and you’re not given all the information. :/

  20. Yet another example of how different my taste is from Trystan’s. I don’t get the point of fiction that does NOT involve murder. Mystery, modern or historic, is wonderful on the page or the screen.
    What I hate are romances … romance is a plot device, but as a whole plot, bleah.

  21. Two points: first of all, try “Nicolas le Floch” for fun. Murder (and other) mysteries set in France before the Revolution. Very naughty and swashbuckling. Lots of bump and tickle and sword fights.

    Secondly, I feel about historical romances the way Trystan feels about historical mysteries. formulaic, shallow, not much plot. Boring. They don’t hold my interest. Pretty costumes, maybe, but not much else going on.

    Part of the fun of Muroch Mysteries, for example, is seeing how the technology of the times is used to solve the crime, the sci-fi elements of one of the characters (an inventor whose inventions are always stolen by others who get the credit), and the the historical context, like women’s suffrage, corsets vs. no corsets, visits from real characters (like Tesla, Edison, Mark Twain),and general Canadian history and mores.

    The fun with Miss Fisher is the fact that she is a “liberated” woman who defies societal norms.

    But, I confess that I have always been a mystery fan. It’s my favorite genre. I never much liked Agatha Christie (formulaic) because she would leave out a vital clue, so the reader couldn’t solve the mystery and then whatever detective it was would assemble the cast of characters and pontificate. As for Joan Hixon as Miss Marple, I feel she portrayed the character as a ditzy old biddy. It drove me crazy.

    1. I dislike historical romances for the same reason, plus they tend to be horribly written. For me it’s the combo of horrible writing, coupled with formulaic writing that kills it for me, in any genre.

    2. I love Murdoch Mysteries for the same reasons. All the actual history and real people that get inserted really makes the historian in me happy. And Pendrick’s and Murdoch’s inventions. And I love that (nearly) all the medical examiners have been women. It’s so much fun!

  22. I dig on some murder mystery shows, especially when I’m in the mood for predictable formularity. Agree that of the more recent historical murder mystery shows, Miss Fishers is among the best because the character of Phryne Fisher is so fabulous.

    Then again, from a story structure perspective, many genres are formulaic. Rom coms most all have the same plot that progresses at about the same rate. Ditto horror and thrillers and adventure tales.

    But hey, everyone’s got their own palate. I’ll watch the murder mysteries so you don’t have to. :)

  23. I pretty much agree. My main exception is Cadfael though for all of the reasons. I do get bored with most of the mystery shows though, I just thought it was because it was ALL my mom would watch when I was growing up but no, when I got older I was still like meh. Every once in awhile I will throw on one of the many Sherlock stories but it’s fairly rare.

  24. Ugh, Will Farrel is playing Holmes? Well, that just ruins my night. I can’t stand him, and Sherlock Holmes is probably my favorite fictional character of all time. =P

  25. Trystan thanks for articulating the reasons for disliking the Murder/mystery genre so well. I am with you entirely on this and these days almost everything that comes up is murder mystery. It shows a sad lack of imagination. Occasionally I will give in and watch something because there is nothing else and I know the acting etc will appeal but only when that is a “one off” like Death at Pemberley and not an ongoing series, When a “murder” happens within a story, eg Bleak House or the Pallisers that has justification within the ongoing action rather than being simply what the story is about it is quite different.

  26. I’m in the camp that equates murder-mysteries (especially historical ones) with comfort food. All the points you made are totally valid, they just don’t really matter to me or are actually reasons why I like them.

    I feel slightly more affection for Murdoch Mysteries as a Canadian and Toronto-native – it’s rare to see things actually set in my city rather than it being used as a stand-in for somewhere else (although, ironically, most of the outdoor filming is done outside of Toronto – though I can point out the local houses/sites they do use!). On a related note, I also really appreciate a show that focuses on Canadian history – and even though the show is set at the turn of the 20th century there are often plots and character that refer back several decades, such as what Canada was up to during the US Civil War, the Mackenzie rebellion, the Halifax explosion, etc. This is just such rare material it’s such a novelty to see! One final point that I feel makes it a bit different is that the main character is actually a member of the police force rather than a civilian who shows the police up – as is so typically the case. The women’s costumes have sometimes made me groan (yes, I could do a better job myself) but I find it charming nonetheless.

    Anyway, not trying to sway you in the slightest, you’re pretty bang-on with all the points you made.

  27. Agree to disagree. But glad you gave props to Death on the Nile. Bette Davis and Maggie Smith? Fabulous.

  28. I have to say that I don’t see what is so loathsome about a formula in genre fiction. I think that often genre expectations are confused with and equated to predictability, which is an important distinction. The established formula of weekly murder mysteries (Endeavor, Father Brown, Miss Marple, Murdoch Mysteries, Miss Fisher’s Mysteries, etc) in no way allows me to predict who the murderer is, at least not entirely (you might have an idea who the killer is but not why, or you may know the motive but there are several people who have the same one, etc). Rather, from my perspective, the main character/sleuth provides an entry to the situation at hand and a reliable touchstone while we as viewers explore specific circumstances surrounding each individual murder mystery – they remain a constant when all the other players/motivations/personal histories change week to week. It’s fascinating to me to explore the intricacies of human behavior through the eyes of someone who is somewhat impartial. But hey, like everyone else on here, to each their own! I’ll watch every one of them with a roaring blaze in the fireplace and a hot toddy in hand. Cheers!

  29. I’m definitely with you on the sameness of the costumes. I actually like the predictability of the plots somewhat, because it means I can really relax when watching them, and suspend disbelief for the crime rates – but Miss Fisher was one of the few ones I genuinely enjoyed for the costumes, precisely because they find an excuse every episode to toss her into a visually interesting and unusual setting, be it the beach or burlesque or travelling. I actually like it better than Downton Abbey for that reason.

  30. I agree with the comfort food assessment. I grew up watching mysteries because my mum loves them, though as an adult my taste both overlaps with hers and veers in a slightly less Christie-centric direction. A lot of the pleasure from it derives from its formulaic quality- it has a catharsis element, a purging of extreme emotion and restoration of social order that speaks to some pretty strong human fears and desires. My favorites for historical mysteries are Cadfael and Foyle’s War, both of which are almost interpretive materials for the periods they depict. I’m also fond of Endeavour, Grantchester, and Miss Fisher, all of which bring a lot of social history into the whodunnit formula.

  31. I don’t share the same opinion as most of the commenters. I adore historical mysteries, both TV shows/movies as well as novels. I have many friends who write really good historical mysteries including Tasha Alexander, Deanna Raybourn, Rhys Bowen, and Victoria Thompson. I particularly adore the Agatha Christie and Miss Fisher adaptations but I love them all. I think the only ones that actually bored me was Endeavor and Murdoch (I don’t like the lead actor).

  32. Oh, look, another old article where I can push my love for Dobrodružství kriminalistiky! I have no idea whatsoever if it’s available in English, unfortunately. But it’s a period mystery series that checks against all your objections – it’s not so formulaic because it’s based on real-life cases and there are, indeed, some that took months or even years and years to solve, and often took whole teams of people to solve (there’s even one episode named “Team” that purposefully focuses on that aspect of crime solving), and the series does not shy away from that. And they’re not even all murders (that’s my own biggest complaint about mysteries – I so enjoy different kinds of crimes every now and then, and that’s something the followers of A.C. Doyle missed in their pursuit of a successful formula). The costumes don’t get repetitive because each episode is set in a different time period. And for the abovementioned reasons, there is also obviously no central Great Detective.
    The only thing that matches your objections is that the episodes are all more or less the same length. :D

    (I have to admit I do enjoy a period mystery a lot every now and then, for most of the reasons others mentioned; but I also agree with you that all of the things you mention can get annoying, and it’s definitely why I enjoyed Dobrodružství kriminalistiky so much.)

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